Golden mean broken

Greeks talked about the Golden Mean, meaning that best place for most things is in the middle….balanced between extremes. What we have with unions now is fact they are no longer in the middle in terms of power or wages. This is opposite of about 50-75 years ago when the companies and local governments had too much power over workers and abused them. Unions were needed then, but now they have milked the companies and local governments for obscene wages, retirement packages, and benefits. I have lived through both extremes as a teacher in Long Island. I started at 5300 dollars a year, but if I was still working there, I’d be making 142,000…both extremes, and both not realistic. Same thing goes for a country. Pendulum now has swayed too far to the left, but it would be bad also if too far to the right. Luckily I lived during time when it was mostly in middle, but my kids are going to be in a jam. The reason for gridlock in Congress is that each party ruled by opposite extremes. Fox News and MSNBC major culprits for this because they have helped cause the country to take extreme untractable positions, and vote accordingly… causing election of extreme opposites in Congress.

Religious deceit

If people really want to SEE THE LIGHT, read the Faith Healers by James Randi. This guy famous for debunking men who profess to be able to heal through Jesus. This I knew already, but the book made me notice that the entire repertoire of language, beliefs, and BS is the precise same stuff used by evangelists like Pat Robertson and Jimmy Swaggart. I am thinking now the whole religion thing is as false as the faith healers…..but as the book says….”there are people who just WANT TO BELIEVE….no matter what they learn”. Amazing to me. It’s like believing in your football team….you root for them and ignore anything wrong they do. You hope for breaks to come their way, whether correct or not, luck should always be on their side, you get excited to hear and sing the songs, etc. Same crap. But know you will lose friends, wife, or acquaintances if you even mention this. You will be working for the ultimate bad guy….the devil. This is how people feel about me….including my family. But read the book anyway.

Donald Trump, you lying SOB phony

Looks like FCKH8 is still indoctrinating children as young as 8.[Dear Boomers that keep coming to my page screaming at me about this video, I did not make it. I am criticizing it.]

Posted by The Unapologetic Canadian on Wednesday, December 6, 2017

Yep, this is disgusting. I doubt if any of those girls have thought about what they rehearsed to convey. Abortion is the single most clearcut issue existing right now….it simply plain wrong…..it certainly isn’t frivolous. But let me state….I have seen directly with my ears and eyes Donald Trump espouse abortion completely….when it favored him in front of Guilani. Now it favors him with Pro-life votes….I don’t trust this guy. Beware everybody….this guy will say anything….like when he stated in Alabama last year that the Bible was his favorite book…..sure Donald.

Numbers 28:1-4And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, My offering,…

Posted by Nonsense from the Bible on Monday, December 11, 2017

To Frances Swaggart

Frances, you going to lose your credibility if you don’t stop to contemplate. Today you read a letter from a guy complaining he worried because he afraid “eastern” doctors invading our country. You backed that up. But, Frances, you, and Jim Nations, never thought about the fact that Germans at one timed feared and shunned, also the Chinese, the Irish, the Italians, the Puerto Ricans. Yes, some Muslims dislike America, but same with Italian, Chinese, Irish, etc….any people you can name. And are we supposed to keep Germans and Italians out because we had a war with them in our lifetime.

You representing religion, Frances. Think, just a little. You a frightful example of common sense.

Then there is Jim Nations, Frances. How long you going to keep this Catholic specialist on your show….without losing all your integrity.

Today, this guys pipes in that Sanctuary cites are a Catholic thing. You didn’t respond to this ridiculous statement….TO YOUR CREDIT. Time to turn this guy lose, Frances. He been there too long now. He also a Mason specialist….phew.

Latest quest

Maria Subramanian John Ecker Mr. Ecker , Please read Matthew 6 ,Matthew7, Psalm 23 , & Proverbs… perhaps you’re asking people to read what you haven’t read yourself. 🙂

Thanks, but I know the Bible like the back of my hand. It man made, and obviously can’t be written by an omniscient God who is all loving. Here’s a quick question for you. Tell us all why God would create a perfect paradise, then let Satan creep in as a talking snake. Tell us all where the evil of the snake come from. Then think how ridiculous the Christian dogma, that God would need to sacrifice himself to himself in order to forgive us. Forgive us from what. What exactly does the average person do so bad. To me Christians are indoctrinated into thinking they born bad….yep little babies born bad, right….then a church needed to serve as a vehicle to “SAVE” them….of course while paying a tithe. Let’s look at the Christian theme now. Tell us all how the following would make any sense. Your neighbor eats a piece of an apple from qa tree on your property. He comes over and asks forgiveness. You could summarily forgive him…BUT instead you say, “NO i won’t forgive you unless you take my son and beat him to a pulp, whip him, throw a spear int him, then crucify him.” Would you do this? Well that is what Christians are toled about Jesus. Well I’m sorry if this seems threatening to you, but if you can answer any of these LEGITIMATE AND HONEST questions, I’d appreciate it tremendously. I know you a good lady, but no better than me. This is a discussion only. I’d actually like to believe again.

Then Maria…another lady, responded:

Maria Subramanian John Ecker Mr. Ecker , Please read Matthew 6, Matthew7, Psalm 23 , & Proverbs… perhaps you’re asking people to read what you haven’t read yourself. 🙂

I responded:
Thanks, but I know the Bible like the back of my hand. It man made, and obviously can’t be written by an omniscient God who is all loving. Here’s a quick question for you. Tell us all why God would create a perfect paradise, then let Satan creep in as a talking snake. Tell us all where the evil of the snake come from. Then think how ridiculous the Christian dogma, that God would need to sacrifice himself to himself in order to forgive us. Forgive us from what. What exactly does the average person do so bad. To me Christians are indoctrinated into thinking they born bad….yep little babies born bad, right….then a church needed to serve as a vehicle to “SAVE” them….of course while paying a tithe. Let’s look at the Christian theme now. Tell us all how the following would make any sense. Your neighbor eats a piece of an apple from qa tree on your property. He comes over and asks forgiveness. You could summarily forgive him…BUT instead you say, “NO i won’t forgive you unless you take my son and beat him to a pulp, whip him, throw a spear int him, then crucify him.” Would you do this? Well that is what Christians are toled about Jesus. Well I’m sorry if this seems threatening to you, but if you can answer any of these LEGITIMATE AND HONEST questions, I’d appreciate it tremendously. I know you a good lady, but no better than me. This is a discussion only. I’d actually like to believe again.

Then Maria again:

Mr. Ecker, I, too, struggle with the answers to these questions. There is another religion that believes the devil was thrown down to earth & he rules it until Jesus comes back to earth. This would explain why there’s so much evil in the world. I do believe in a Creator, because of all the beauty & love I’ve witnessed. And I believe there is an evil one. There are a lot of powerful moral messages in the Bible. I cling to those. I don’t think God minds us questioning Him… he gave us the brains to do so. There is proof that Jesus lived on this earth. There is a big push by atheists, to obliterate religion. If that happens, Satan wins. I think it’s the responsibility of every parent to at least introduce God to their children, with or without the Bible, and tell them what God stands for. They need a moral compass of beliefs that will serve to strengthen them when they are faced with the banter of the atheists: ” there is no hell or heaven, so just do whatever you want” Good luck on your spiritual journey. 😇

Then me:

Well said, Maria. Wish you lived next store to me so we could converse often….though, you know, you Bible says a woman can’t direct a man…plus can’t talk in church. I don’t believe that at all….just pointing out another point….of which I have noted hundreds. But we would have a great time exploring. You a great gal, but just not informed like I am. Nothing against you, but you present typical responses.
Then I added more for her to think about:
By the way, Maria, atheists….which I am not…will not do things wrong if religion disappeared, just like you wouldn’t. Morality comes from people having to live together….nobody wants others causing them harm so moral behaviors provide this, then there is the civil law to step in for non compliers. Take a look at the TEN COMMANDMENTS tonight. The first four do nothing for our morality, plus none mentions mistreating women….like was the practice in those days….plus nothing about molesting children. What kind of decrepit code is this. Neither were they presented to the Israelites until relatively late times. For example, they presented to Moses, right. Well think about this for once. Hadn’t the Israelites been “slaves” for over 400 years by then. Do you think they hadn’t any laws before the TEN COMMANDMENTS. They before that, Moses had killed an Egyptian. Why did he run if he didn’t come under the law of the day. ALL THIS BEFORE the big ten. Look, Maria, I’m not hammering you, just asking you to think deeply about what you purport. I believe in God the father BTW, probably due to my mother and father, but this Jesus story simply doesn’t make sense. Why would people think the most gullible are going to be rewarded by GOD, instead of the deep thinkers.

Then Marie bows out like a typical light weight:

Everyone should seek out God in their own way and of their own accord. Information is mostly useful, but sometimes it gets in the way, especially in matters of Faith. Cheers.

So I answered:

Marie bowing out. She can’t answer my sensible questions. Go ahead help her anybody. Where are any of my questions mean or insincere?

TELL ME ANYBODY….do you notice how Christians just can’t keep up….but I must say that in this case, no rancor on Marie’s part….as is so common in these wondrous Christian hypocrites.

To Johnsons about being democratic or republican

Johnson’s wrote this: tHAT MAKES ME SICK. Yea for Virginia, New Jersey, and New York. Wish we could get some demos in office in Texas. I really think a Demo could win a state office IF enough people would vote. Houston always cotes Demo as does San Antonio, and I think Dallas and Ft Worth. and Austin. West Texas never does and neither does East Texas

My daughter, Rochelle’s finance is a democrat who works for two candidates running now. He says the state slowly turning blue. I hope so, though I don’t actually like either party at their core. All part of what I term, ‘groupism”….my group completely right always, yours the opposite. What this country actually needs is less republicans AND democrats, and more AMERICANS.

I favor democrats at this time basically because Republicans in charge, and they…being controlled by the radicals of their party, are throwing their weight around too much. But same do Democrats when they in power. POWER is what each group wants and their leaders will feign issues to gain support from their own folks.

When Obama was president, democrats feigned being “goodie two shoes”, and Reps attacked EVERY night on FOX, comparable to how Trump, the fake to me, is attacked by MSNBC and CNN. People watch whichever ones verifies their stupid beliefs, thus giving credence to them. Look, even Suzie will read literally nothing but the New York Times, right. Presently the Republicans are feigning “law and order” champion status, a continuation of how they stood against Obama. Trump a humongous demagogue exploiting them.

This is all somewhat sickening to me, and I only express it to intelligent friends I like and honor a lot.

Religion is one of the latest groups I am investigating. Phew, what a pile of dog doo doo this is. But I know such serves as a means for people to help others, as I know you guys surely do. But to swallow this Christian theme that Jesus came to save us, is just plain risible. Religion has all but died out in Europe, but here is relatively strong, but nothing like in the 1950’s when it used to hold down blacks, and women, Jews, Catholics, etc….didn’t the baptist convention split into northern and Southern parts over slavery…I’m not sure. I’d really like to know how people swallow the ark story, Adam and Eve, talking bushes, talking donkeys, women being banned from talking in church, ETC, ETC, yet they do, summarily. Did you know that very many pastors don’t believe what they preach, but this is a profession, you know. The older a person gets, the more they are prone to swallow this palaver because they think they going to heaven….never demanding a speck of proof….all their sins forgiven. I’d like to know just what a regular person does so wrong so as to warrant burning in hell for eternity….what just for not swallowing all this man-made junk. Sorry, I just don’t get it.

Letter to the Johnsons

I’m mad at these senseless shootings here. In Hallsburg, here in MCC county, a woman of 20 years old was found shot, as was her 1 year old child who was strapped in her car. Then there is the killing in Sutherland Springs of 26 people in a church…a guy with a AR-15 rifle.

I’d like for you believers to tell me hpw all this is part of GOD’D PLAN. These people were going to church…including one that was 5 years old. How could this be part of a loving God’s plan. How could the killing of a 5 year old and a one year old be part of such? Oh, l;\et’s blame it on the bad guy, the DEVIL, right? I’d like to know why the devil is roaming around doing these bad things. It would be like we humans as parents allowing a sex addicting roaming our neighborhoods preying on our kids. ANYBODY worth a speck of salt would step in to stop such a monster!!!, but our completely loving God just watches. Okay, if you say, he not completely good, but if he is, you piping BS. Why all this just because two newly made creatures ate a piece of a fruit thousands of years ago? Such over reaction I think, don’t you? Then tell me why you so mad at the one year old being killed, yet it’s fine and dandy to abort kids several months earlier. It’s all in the heart, I say. Have a soft heart for certain things correct, you okay, but a hard heart is plain wrong. LOOK, just go by what is right, and against what is wrong, and forget what your group professes. That is what I do. For example, I used to be big timed involved with the PRO_LIFE group here…..UNTIL I found they against gays and transsexuals. I expressed this and then banned from the group. Screw them, I don’t do what I feel is wrong.\

So, please tell me how all this part of GOD’S plan. I am not an atheist by any means, but have to point out the weaknesses of religion. Remember when women had to wear hats in church, and weren’t allowed to talk or teach. what about stoning your son outside town if he disrespectful, or what about talking snakes and bushes, how do you ignore this? What about the talking donkey in the Bible….oh, old testament stuff right? Then tell me why God would have a human sacrifice….himself BTW… to atone for sins now. How does that help anything. So God like the smell of burning animal flesh, right (this is in the Bible, but I bet you have never read it.). What about the value of women in the Bible….about half of men….did you know….I doubt it….that a women who helps a her husband who is fighting another man, and she grabs the guy by the gonads, is to have her hand cut off. Of course you know nothing about all this, just accept it because fear put into you about dying. Hey, did you know anything before you born, well what wrong with knowing nothing after you dead? WHY NOT JUST OR AVOID THINGS BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY RIGHT OR WRONG. Tell me, if the skeleton of Jesus found….showing he wasn’t resurrected, would you suddenly become immoral?

Look, you about as good a people as I know, and e friends for close to 40 years now. You can tell me the answers to these questions, please. Don’t give me a bunch of unverifiable doctrine though.. I’ve heard it for over 40 years, and it proves nothing but false hope to me….not that I need it, surely.

Well, print this out and discuss together. Take your time. Ask your paster, and see what answers you get.

John

PSD> Don’t think for a second I’m unhappy asking these questions. I’m actually free of so much and feel relieved.

Just do what is right, always, even if it goes against your nature.More stuff added later:

Take the Catholics. They of course must profess that Jesus not born with a sin nature….in order he be a perfect sacrifice for us….(how I don’t know, but this like Protestants.) Opps, if Joseph not the father ….with his sin nature, then how could Jesus be born from Mary….with her sin nature? Oh, let’s just invent the story that Mary born without one too….the old Immaculate Concept BS born. Thus, she born without one, you know. But, hey, do you know when this idea became officially Catholic doctrine?….1852!!!!!!! Gee, took over one thousand years for this to sink in.

Then, there’s this fake, phony fraud democrat, Donna Brazil. I remember her being questioned before the election and she protested to the questioning by saying she a Christian woman. Then today she tells everybody to “go to hell.”

Now this added:

Now, this Republican fake, phony fraud Trumps says the incident in Texas a matter of mental illness. Doesn’t he see the Muslim religious fanatics as mentally ill too….of course not. I’m not seeing a difference between Christian fanatics (which you guys are not, I know), and Muslim fanatics.

Good and bad

I have found some fine Pro-Life people, while others not worth a damn. Plus, my father turned out to favor abortions, though he as fine a father who has ever lived. I literally used to pray at every meal that our kids would have soft hearts, yet one is pro abortion. I frankly can’t figure this out, and have asked so many people….nobody knows why.

Disgusting huckster

I remember this huckster as a kid growing up in Virginia. I would watch him in innocent amazement….believing everything he did was real. I remember after the Russians put the first satellite up how he said the Bible said there would be “signs in the sky”….but I don’t remember what he said they meant, probably the end of the world. Ever notice how these fake, phony, frauds are always predicting the end of the world…..with you needed to be “saved” and of course contributing to their churches.

Donna dialogue….2015

John Ecker Who taught you, Lee. Me….remember? You “saved” in Kings Park, NY about 1973. Religion is cultural, Donna. If you in Libya, Muslim, in Japan, Shinto, in India, Hindu, in Italy, Catholic, in Denmark, Protestant, in China, Confucius, in Africa, a Zulu, in Utah, Mormon, in Hollywood, maybe Scientology, etc.. All will tell you the others bad, and hell the reward for not following them. What kind of crap is that? Did you know there are over 20 thousand different Protestant churches. Only 1/4 of earth is Christian. I’m not really sure which one is correct, probably none. Religions basically a way to form a group. of followers, with a group of priests, pastors, moo las, imams, etc supported as a profession. They usually have a book to guide people, e.g., the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Koran, etc. I have studied this stuff, Honey, I knew what you meant. You and most people frankly, not informed. The beautiful picture above could be substituted with a kid being blown up by a religious fanatic, remember that. Look what the Muslims doing today!!1, but remember the millions, Christians have killed too, including the Indians here. Thus, there is much more to this than you think. Now I =knw you are a good advocate of Christianity, but there are mik=llions and millions who feel gays are heinous. What about them. So don’t think this is simple or pure. NOW LET”S SEE THE VITRIOL exhibited by Christians for me just saying the truth.
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Toni Delahunt
Toni Delahunt Not true. I was raised a Christian, but am now a Pagan. When I started reading and studying, I found It fits my belief system better. I honor Mother Earth, my soul, my ancestors. And practice love and kindness. I’m a healer, and very spiritual.❤️
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John Ecker
John Ecker Thanks, Toni, but I bet people isolate you, righ…. thinking you in league with Satan?t.
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Toni Delahunt
Toni Delahunt Yes, John, some do. Those that are ignorant and/or closed minded do. If they knew their own religion, they would know that Satan was invented by Christians to keep them on the straight and narrow. Fear is a great motivator. But, I choose love and kindness. I’m to mature to care what uninformed people say or think. I’m firm in my beliefs. I’m on a path, a journey, which I chose to do for myself. ❤️
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John Ecker
John Ecker Wow, Toni, nice as any formal religion.
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Toni Delahunt
Toni Delahunt Unfortunately John, as you know, you really can’t discuss politics or religion. It’s everyone’s choice as to who they vote for, or what they believe in. Namaste.❤️
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Cece Ortiz
Cece Ortiz I like that it is so True Amen
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Beverly Mundee
Beverly Mundee Its not THE truth John……may be YOUR truth but not necessarily others truth! And how dare you even say that actually like you are so superior to others and their beliefs.All you did was give us a history lesson we all know already. And she wasn’t …See More
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Chris Hayes
Chris Hayes Very well said Bev!
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John Ecker
John Ecker I don’t have to state the truth or anything else, Bev. It’s who who is using magic to give meaning to your world not me. Give me and us all, a shard of evidence for ANYTHING you say. …anything. I don’t care how little. It’s not I don’t want to believe….just give me a molecule of proof….go ahead, WE ALL WAITING. Watch, Donna, let’s see some proof….but don’t hold your breath. Same goes for you, Chris….an atom of proof.
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John Ecker
John Ecker Not harassing you, Bev. or Chris. But I’d seriously like some proof.
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Lee Scriven
Lee Scriven The only proof occurs when you sincerely ask Christ to come in to your heart, and even then, the proof is only to you. It’s what causes people to become convicted. It is faith-based, but you cannot know until you ask. He calls us to come to Him like children, and He loves us far more than we love our own children. A love like that can only be felt, not necessarily proven.
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John Ecker Okay, Lee., I understand, but this of course is no proof at all. But that’s okay, I understand where you coming from. But where is Bev.? Maybe she has proof?
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Donna Cafora Shepard
Donna Cafora Shepard No, I’m sure she has no “proof” either but what does it matter? Does the fact that there is no Santa make Christmas less fun for children? The fact that they believe, makes Christmas Eve the most exciting night of the year! I STILL remember the excitement of Christmas Eve! It’s what is in your heart that matters. It’s what makes you the person you are. Religion gives most of us a moral compass. No religion, no conscience. I believe this is the biggest problem today. I don’t care if God is a frog. I care about the respect children are taught and live as an adult.
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John Ecker Not true, Lee. Religion has nothing to do with real morality, .just look at Muslims cutting people’s heads off, or Christians making homosexuals feel marginalized, or the crusades. Just having to live with others is what provides us with a desire to be good to others, because we want them to be good to us. We feel bad when people mean to uds, and we see what it does to others likewise, and vice versa when we do bad.Now if you said, a sense of caring, and feeling bad about hurting someone else, or feeling bad at seeing a starving dog, maybe then…but it’s the feeling I’m talking about, not the thinking part, the cognitive part. . As I stated the other day, Moses looked around to see if he had been seen when he killed the Egyptian, so murder was known to be wrong long before the Commandments, and he surely knew it….plus there was the Hammurabi Code long before and paltry commandments. But yes, people can be controled by others telling them they will go to heaven or hell depending on what they did on earth. I’d like to talk to you about this someday, but be prepared to spend a month on it. As I have said, I’ve studied this stuff thoroughly. Almost everybody says like you, “Oh, it doesn’t matter, or it helps me….of couse, none of which proves a thing except for checking your brain at the door. You know I can’t do that.
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Donna Cafora Shepard
Donna Cafora Shepard Yes, I understand! You are more the “Spock” type when it comes to facts.
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Lee Scriven
Lee Scriven I think one’s interpretation of religion has a great deal to do with morality.