Thoughts for the day

Depending on Jesus:

Why…. I never depend on him, and am fine. What about the millions before Jesus besides the Jews with their 613 laws, like not cutting your beard a certain way….or death?

You a great doctrinaire, Oldbear, but make no sense to anybody but a blind believer. The Bible doesn’t stand with you, old friend, but against you. You must be able to ignore almost anything….except somebody who doesn’t believe like you.

And Forest, you crazy as a bedbug to write thge stuff above, but you can hang around Oldbear all day….unless he turned out gay, then, boom, bye, bye.

Don’t you all see this crap is all like Santa Claus for adults?

Oldbear, Forest, myself, and anybody else in the world are good people just for the fact of being so. The religion part is pure BS.

Religion questions

What is Atonement: Theology: the doctrine concerning the reconciliation of God and humankind, especially as accomplished through the life, suffering, and death of Christ.

Thanks TK, but what does Jesus dying have to do with me and my puny, little bitty sins, and for my grandkids not yet born. What, because Adam took a bite from a fruit….after his wife urged him to. All this Hollywood script writing of suffering.

Why not God just snapping his fingers and forgiving everyone. And why have God himself sacrifice himself, he’s the one forgiving.

I’m not understanding this eternal suffering model.

More religious thougts and insights

What is with all this guilt about being a human? You have been indoctrinated into this original sin model….so the church can control your behavior, and thoughts….and donations of course. Tell me what you do so bad that you need to quiver with shame. Why let all this guilt govern your lives. Just do what you would want others to do to you. For example yesterday, I sucked up the leaves of my neighbor, plus I always bring in her garbage containers. This has NOTHING to do with Jesus or religion. I am always generous to my family and wife….just like my father was. I now see that society is governed by civil law, not religious….but the clergy (a “nice” profession) wants you to think so, and give them power over you. I know everyone has needs that are met by the group in the church….but it’s just that, group dynamics.

Okay, now the pious bunch will say I am lost. No folks, I am not unhappy or lost….you are for falling under the spell of religion. Depend on what is real, not a bunch of B.S. . I don’t have to list yet again all the crap from the book that is supposed to be so good….the Bible.

Problems do exist with being a freethinker….you can’t tell your friends, lest they say you have a demon. You also can lose your friends. There seems to be some kind of hold that religion has on people that they just don’t know exists outside of a God….similar to kids’ reference to the Easter bunny, or Santa. It gives them hope, and direction. from without. I used to be that way, but have shed it. I know that Ohio State has conducted a study that shows that people need religion for twelve reasons, but have read it yet.

Abortion comment

The Civil Law of the land protects individuals from the harm of others. Tell me, aborting preborns doesn’t hurt them. You people born should realize the answer immediately. This has nothing to do with religion, it’s just common sense….period. The reason you have an opinion is because your mother carried you.


Some statements summarising how I feel today

Donna wrote me satying her daughter felt like me about religion. I wrote back”

Yes, this probably the only thing I would agree with Jennifer on, but I still like her the same. I don’t dislike somebody who disagrees with me. But I want them to at least consider what I say.
Concerning the above question, apologists say God was not talking about 50,000 people, but instead multitudes of people. Nice, so what’s the difference. God still killed people for just looking inside this chest.
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What I am trying to point out is just one of literally hundreds of inconsistencies in the “word of God”, a book hardly anybody knows, like me only 4 years ago. Yet a whole religion based on it….like the Book of Mormon for Mormons….another false man-made pile of crap.
I do believe in God, as I have told you, just not the one of the Bible, with Jesus dying to himself (God) instead of just forgiving everybody. What’s with all this drama of having to believe God killing himself (Jesus is God you know) to save us. For what?…to make this into a gripping drama, like in Hollywood?   What’s this having to make Jesus (God himself) suffer (Like 100’s of thousands of other men crucified) Tell me what Donna Cafora does that is so bad. Yet the church tells us we born with original sin, and and we need Jesus to die to get rid of it..All this made up by Paul AFTER Jesus died. Jesus said to go to the Jews, not gentiles. Then Paul changes all this….after a big dispute with the head of the church, Peter. Peter wanted all converts circumcised like the Jewish law stated (the Law which Jesus said he had come to fulfill, not change BTW), but Paul wanted followers, so he made it easy….OH, no circumcision now, folks, sigh up!!!! Of course, women never mentioned in this penis covenant….they didn’t count you know….another thing that doesn’t add up.
Well enough said. I think this will eventually sink in….maybe after yiou retire and havre time to think about it.
I don’t want you thinking there is no God to pray to. I feel thee is, but all this Jesus stuff is pure B.S., and justifies so much bad stuff in history now, and in the past. Remember the Muslims are driven by God too, and they justify everything using him.
John.

 

To Tim Tebow

I am a big Tim Tebow fan because of the wonderful life he is leading. However I wonder if he and his followers could consider what I say here. This morning I awoke in the middle of the night with the following ideas. I know they disagree with the doctrine as a Baptist I grew up with. But here they are. Maybe somebody there can address them, and help me over this. But please don’t just give me faith stuff or more dogma: I really don’t want to hurt others’ beliefs, but would like to know how Jesus dying (to himself if he God) had anything to do with forgiving my sins. Would anybody here sacrifice his/her son to save someone else….what would that do? And, how did Adam eating a fruit affect me as a person? I didn’t do it. If Adam was defective….something God could not have done, you know, make something such,…then why not just fix him up. What’s with all this suffering (like Cathy’s son…a great guy dying of kidney disease). I am not being contrary here, but nobody can answer any of my questions objectively….they just spout church dogma…..like I did for 40 years….or I cowardly get defriended. I’m just asking for some common sense here. This is all a nice time of the year, but yesterday I’m driving to the Baylor game, and there near Rt 35, I see three real guys in loin clothes hanging on crosses….one a fat guy. Do we not know this story already. Hundreds of thousands of people were crucified, and many people given Godhood in ancient times, like for instance, Caesar, Hercules, Alexander the Great, I’m not understanding all this. Maybe it’s like James Randi….the guy who studied faith healers….said: “People just want to believe in something….then they die.” So to me, this is all like believing in Santa Claus for kids. Please, Tim, address this stuff. I am having big time doubts here.

But as of two days later, no reply from this man of God.

Mormon B.S.

Phew, this is all such B.S. I really can’t believe at times we discussing such fantasy stuff. Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, was an upstate NY treasure hunter arrested for deceiving people, then he finds a bunch of golden plates, and translates them from Egyptian hieroglyphics (this actually before Champolian solved what hieroglyphics meant, so Smith thought he safe in his fraud). Then later after Champolean, a professor looked at Joseph Smiths translation of a page, and said not a single thing right. So the Mormon Bible is pure fantasy. But there is always somebody wanting to believe, and this “religion” provides direction and discipline concerning social behavior, so it has slowly caught on….just like Jehovah Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, Muslims, etc.

Look this one up

Oh, here is something I just noticed while comparing my wife’s Spanish Bible (Jimmy Swaggart King James translation) and my Living Bible. Look at 1 Samuel 6:19. This pertains to the return of the Ark of the Covenant after the Philistines stole it. They received bad times from having it….their idols crumple, and many people get hemorrhoids. So they send the wonderful ark back, along with a tribute of five golden mice, and five golden hemorrhoids. They do this by attaching two oxen on a card, and the animals just walk back undriven. Well now the interesting part. Upon seeing the returned ark, the Israelites are excited, and open it. BAD: (and here the controversy if you can even entertain such a dumb story in the first place), Jimmy Swaggart’s version says God killed 50,070 persons for doing thus horrible thing, but my Living Bible says only 70. So then I looked in the Catholic Bible, and it said only 70. Then I looked at my King James and it said 50,070. Then I looked at my wife’s Biblio de Regalo, and it said 70 persons killed.

So what is it 50,070, or 70? And tell me, isn’t this all starting to sound like a big fairy tale?

Think about this at Easter season

I really don’t want to hurt others’ beliefs, but would like to know how Jesus dying (to himself if he God) had anything to do with forgiving my sins. Would anybody here sacrifice his/her son to save someone else….what would that do? And, how did Adam eating a fruit affect me as a person? I didn’t do it. If Adam was defective….something God could not have done, you know, make something such,…then why not just fix him up. What’s with all this suffering (like Cathy’s son). I am not being contrary here, but nobody can answer any of my questions objectively….they just spout church dogma…..like I did for 40 years….or I cowardly get defriended. I’m just asking for some common sense here. This is all a nice time of the year, but yesterday I’m driving to the Baylor game, and there near Rt 35, I see three real guys in loin clothes hanging on crosses….one a fat guy. Do we not know this story already. Hundreds of thousands of people were crucified, and many people given Godhood in ancient times, like for instance, Caesar Hercules, Alexander the Great, I’m not understanding all this. Maybe it’s like James Randi….the guy who studied faith healers….said: “People just want to believe in something….then they die.” So to me, this is all like believing in Santa Claus for kids.

Watchtower Phonies (Jehovah Witnesses)

Watchtower phony

 This absolutely true. I was shunned in Brownwood, Tx for going out with a divorced woman. This couple was as friendly as could be….they from New York like me….then just would turn away when I would say hello. I couldn’t figure it out until somebody told me about them. About two months ago Warchtower members came to my door and gave me some tracks. I began to ask tough questions, and one sweet talked me, as he was backing away. He said he would return, but the guy never did. Just another phony. I’m frankly amazed how people want you to follow them, but no questions….lest you be deemed from the devil.